I didn't ask for a reset and my first post said it wouldn't happen...

I AM saying that the Minmitar are swimming in ISK/LP due to what the goons did and the goons picked the minmitar as the militia to use because of the broken NPCs which allowed them to plex far easier then we can and therefore allowed them to capture more systems...

so the isk that was made to be removed: but the LP that upgraded the systems that caused the window of exploit to open remains in and the knock on effects, left for the amarr to pick up the pieces?

That makes sense to you?

ooooooookay


/logicfail

dude, amarrs been sitting on buttons while dodging zee blob for over a month now, chasing frigs out of plexes and got no where. Now we find out minnies have been looking so damned good compared because the goonies were working a hella'sploit boosting the minnies no end.

forgetting for a second we actually have to sit in minmatar plexes in proper pvp/pve ships and that we have no stations to base from since they were taken before the patch, after the changes were announced, of course.

"working as intended" Hans?

The clues are here and while people still care, we will raise this valid and obvious points, till there isnt anyone left and minmatar fw becomes incursions with a better LP store.

I very much doubt ccp had this in mind when spending 5 minutes of a coders time implementing this shite

Not sure what so many Amarr are complaining about

:workingasintended:

This kind of thing is a real problem for CCP though.

Every single time it becoms apparent there has been cheating/exploiting/whatever in a bad way it becomes an issue of asking how far the corruption and rot of that cheating spreads to contaminate the rest of the game. 0.0 alliances were caught exploiting moon harvesters and bought titan fleets with the ill-gotten loot, that let them hold space and get more space and get more income. The people doing the exploit got banned, but the impacts of the exploit (sovereignty map and combat results) continued.

say tonight you lose a faction vindicator Maud to a group of drakes from a dodgy nullsec corp that has been punished for macro mining in the past - is it fair that you lost a ship to a bunch of exploiters knowing that those drakes might have been paid for by cheating? No its not fair, its annoying and its crap - but there is a point where the investigation needs to draw a line.

Now on this FW thing. I think we shouldn't polish the goons ego too much. The impact was probably they kept minmatar at tier 4 for a week or so and may have helped flip it to tier 5 on sat initially. It takes 6 million lp to bring minmatar systems from zero to five across the board and achieve tier 5. So their impact was a portion of 6million (how much is open to question, perhaps CCP sreegs might report on that at some point).

Goons did nothing to win the war for minmatar pre Inferno. They have done nothing to fight the war since inferno (in terms of system ownership and plexing) and the upgrades have no impact on defense either.

So it is purely the case that the matari faction have benefitted from potentially dodgy goon LP's to boost their store prices.

Now you could ask Sreegs to retroactively remove the boon from the tier 5 store cashout (basically revert everything that people did last saturday - though I know for a fact that some of us put our legit LP's into system upgrades to keep it at tier 5 and back to tier 5 when it dropped. But its messy.

You could also perhaps ask CCP to flatline the Minmtar upgrades right now as a corrective gesture (again its messy and definitely more ceremonial than targetted) Or ask CCP to put the Amarr ones to 5 as a potential "we're sorry gesture". But the problem is ... ordinary Minmatar players knew nothing of the Goon exploit going on. They played honestly and its quite unfair to damage their gameplay as a result of this nullsec manipuation of FW.

CCP were to blame ultimately for the gaps in the system that got gamed and exploited by the goons ... and though its always annoying to know that somebody else's cheating impacted your gameplay - sometimes you do just need to shrug and get over it.

Bottom line, I'm honestly not sure what ccp can do to set this right.

All these tears and complaints.

Who cares about how hard taking plexes is, and who converts LP at whatever rate?

The ONLY reason the Minmatar is taking Amarr systems at will is because of teamwork and coordination between timezones and alliances.

Last night we took another system whilst the Amarr set up a Kamela defence fleet, to defend against about 4 minmatar camping 60+ amarr in system.

Goons may have LP whored, we may have farming alts, but what COUNTS is that the Minmatar ALWAYS have fleets up and rolling around the warzone - sometimes 5 people, sometimes 30, but they are always up.

With the exception of FWEDDIT, the Amarr seem to only be on the forums complaining and whining. Thank god they joined to give the Amarr some spine and structure.

You want a better LP Tier? You need more systems. Systems that farmers and alts won't defend because they get no LP for Dplexing.

Grow some balls, work out a strategy and then undock.

You might even have some fun.